3.1 Priest talent specs

[Ahchoo]

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?priest=050320310000000000000000000003405003230215 053035331051000000000000000000000000000&glyph=050013000000&version=9614

Gonna try that out and see how it goes. Blessed resillence 3% more healing, don't know if that will in the long run be better than Surge of Light. Also, new test of faith seems to be possibly worth getting. Have to really see how the new fights are.

Also, renew is capable of critical hits now. More reason to stack crit, GG.

Edit: Fix'd somethings.

[Iluminati]

2/3 inspiration = ?

Is the extra armor not necessary anymore? If that was just a mistake, you could drop a point from Holy Specialization to bring it up to 3/3.

3/3 Blessed resilience will definitely bring more HP/s than Surge of Light; on the other hand Surge of Light procs are also free. But...OO5SR regen nerf makes free heals less valuable (though you will be critting frequently, it may still amount to a decent amount of mana saved).

As holy your renew will be healing for a ridiculous amount (imp renew, emp renew, glyph) so you may wind up casting flash heal much less than now making Surge of light that much weaker.

Whether or not SoL is worth it will most likely depend greatly on your playstyle and the playstyle of the healers you play with (are they going to snipe all your renews? etc.) rather than math.

Glyphs:

You selected Glyph of Innerfire. Patch notes say:

Glyph of Guardian Spirit *new* -- If you Guardian Spirit lasts its entire duration without being triggered, your Guardian Spirit cooldown is reset to 60 sec.

Is being added. I'm guessing you knew that already and you picked a random glyph since it doesn't show up in the talent calculator just yet.

I don't think glyph of POH will be worth it for holy as the hot will most likely be wasted.

Assuming flash heal is used much less than now and renew turns out to be as ridiculous as it sounds, I'd go with:
glyph of COH
glyph of renew
glyph of guardian spirit


As for a disc spec, I'm liking this:
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?priest=050320313030051230131323125101505103030000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000&glyph=050012030605&version=9614

with Glyph of penance as the 3rd glyph

[Ahchoo]

I just picked out some random glyphs without looking at them too close. I choose innerfire because I wanted to see if it would by some bizarre chance affect the spellpower bonus from innerfire.

Choosing glyph of renew over prayer of healing glyph will depend on how the actual encounters are. I'm not sure if losing an extra tick is worth it though, from the looks of things almost every single heal will have to count with regen cut in half.

[Maczter]

I still like Surge of Light mainly because I mostly tank heal. On moving fights Surge of Light is amazing as well.

Gonna go with this.
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?priest=050320310000000000000000000003505003130015 253005331351000000000000000000000000000&glyph=000000000000&version=9614

You can prolly interchange Test of Faith with Blessed Resilience but I personally prefer Test of Faith.

[Ahchoo]

All this talk from ghostcrawler about how they want to give priests more options in talents and now the reality of it all is the only choice is whether to interchange surge of light, blessed resil, or test of faith.

Looks like i'm going to use dual specs to switch out of surge of light for aoe fights, and switch back into it with the spec that you have maczter for fights that require mostly tank healing. GG


I will never again get my hopes up when blizzard says they will fix something.

[Iluminati]

Any reason to move away from Disc in the tank healing role, especially now that POH is targettable and the changes to flash heal and shield make them incredibly strong for some raid healing flexibility? Or just preference?

[tulsrabmai]

meh...Spriests are totally pigeonholed into a rather specific talent build. We're dropping VE again just like in the days of BT and picking up more mana regen. Our major choice is whether or not to pick up IF now that DP can actually *crit*

Battlemaid as spriest.com is doing some number crunching and once the new simcraft is available with the changes I'll probably do some of my own...right now though, if mana is a bitch I'll keep what I got.

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?priest=050320300000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000325023051223010323152301351&glyph=191718030406&version=9614

I might change the SWD glyph for the MF range if there is another super homo range limited fight like heigan...damn 22yd range

[Maczter]

Yea they didn't give shadow any options either.

I was thinking of dual speccing something like this as Discipline.

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?priest=050320313040051233132323125123500003000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000&glyph=000000000000&version=9614

Yes, no divine fury. Why? Because the new Glyph of Penance (Glyph of Penance -- Reduces the cooldown of Penance by 2 sec) will make penance a 6 sec CD hence making it close to Greater Heal in terms of effectiveness or maybe equivalent to Greater Heal. Prayer of Mendings, Renews on Penance CDs. Flash heal also is going to be a very efficient way of tank healing if specced and Glyphed right. +22% crit on targets below 50%, +12crit on targets with weakened soul (w/c should always be up), -15% mana from talents and another -10% mana from Glyph of Flash heal. Add all this with new changes made to rapture, making Discipline very viable for tank healing.

The new talent for PW:S is going to be amazing as well. Talented, mana cost is going to be roughly 500~ish (haven't computed for it yet sorry too lazy) and no cooldown at all.

I still haven't tried this one out yet on PTR but I have a good feeling about this and will gladly share the results once I do.

[Ahchoo]

Maczter the disc priest inc.

[Maczter]

^

[jakethesnake]

Healing as disc is some of the most fun I've had in this game. Too bad it doesn't really show up well on parses.

[Maczter]

Well it's not all about the meters. You can be 5th and still do an amazing job.

[tulsrabmai]

I have a friend with a balanced recount which shows healing effective by Grace and PW:S...I can get a copy of it probably and post it somewhere if desired...I don't always check these forums so tell Ahchoo if it's something you want. But I agree that Disc is hella effective




*edit*

I'm curious, you went with 5% crit instead of .5 second off Gheal, did you see any numbers to push you in that direction or just plan on not having to cast Gheal as often due to penance changes?

[Maczter]

I'm curious, you went with 5% crit instead of .5 second off Gheal, did you see any numbers to push you in that direction or just plan on not having to cast Gheal as often due to penance changes?

I just plan on not casting Gheal, penance changes + empowered flash heal including glyphs. Sadly, I haven't been able to test out the new glyph at PTR because everything crashes at major cities, nobody has been able to get the new glyphs yet.

[tulsrabmai]

nice that's what I figured, lemme know how it works if you would

[Missxenage]

I have a friend with a balanced recount which shows healing effective by Grace and PW:S...I can get a copy of it probably and post it somewhere if desired...I don't always check these forums so tell Ahchoo if it's something you want.

Someone tell him to post it!

[tulsrabmai]

http://www.filefactory.com/file/af3756f/n/RecountDisc_zip


Ahchoo just told me...he's still full of all kinds of fail :)

[Ahchoo]

Ty

[Maczter]

With the new changes to the shadow tree (critting dots) I wonder how it would affect Inner Focus + SW : P since SW : P is constantly refreshed through Mind Flay. Any thoughts?

PS Serendipity nerfed boo no more 1 sec PoH and .8 sec Greater Heals :tt:

[tulsrabmai]

From what I've seen in testing that I've done...

The Increased crit of IF+SWP is negated after the first refresh of SWP through MF. It's the same as with +dmg buffs/trinkets as far as I can tell...when you lose dmg buffs the dmg bonus drops. However I only did a small sample test and it could be wrong but that's what I've seen thus far.

The newest changes (March 06th) are some HUGE dps changes for spriests, now not only do they crit (which initially was a minor nerf) but they do 100% dmg (which is a substantial buff).

Before their dmg was modded by a % equal to your crit %, now that 20% crit gives you 20% doubledmg bonus...VERY nice. Should push somewhere between 200-300 more dps I think.

[Maczter]

The Increased crit of IF+SWP is negated after the first refresh of SWP through MF. It's the same as with +dmg buffs/trinkets as far as I can tell...when you lose dmg buffs the dmg bonus drops. However I only did a small sample test and it could be wrong but that's what I've seen thus far.

The newest changes (March 06th) are some HUGE dps changes for spriests, now not only do they crit (which initially was a minor nerf) but they do 100% dmg (which is a substantial buff).

Before their dmg was modded by a % equal to your crit %, now that 20% crit gives you 20% doubledmg bonus...VERY nice. Should push somewhere between 200-300 more dps I think.
Thanks for the info. I haven't been able to test out shadow damage at PTR my secondary spec is disc and I'm too scared to go back to towns :lol: If they haven't made it 200% crit damage, it would have been a dps nerf :/

[Ahchoo]

Fuck body and soul.

[Iluminati]

why is it in the wrong fucking tree

[Maczter]

^

also, wtb my old divine hymn back.

[Iluminati]

^

Why on earth did they change divine hymn at all, it was great before now it's just stupid.

[Maczter]

because stupid priests who doesn't know how to use it properly kept qqing on how it was so useless.