Tanks

[Eyrix]

Hello,


First of all congratulations on your rapid Nax progress, it's absolutely amazing how fast you down the boss's. Also thank you for having me on your forums with the ability to post.

My main is a priest on thrall and my guild is in need of warriors, tanks in specific. My interest falls to the gnome warriors. I decided to ask here because I am aware you have a gnome tank (lovelychobo) and was curious if her being a gnome limited any aspects of tanking? I know some people complain of line of site issues for the healers. I was wondering if this effects you at all? Are there certain instance's that that she and or other gnome tanks are unable to tank do to line of sight or any other issues? Also would you descriminate against gnome tanks in an application process? Human's have the +5 swords and maces I believe?, Which gives them the PvE advantage in your opinion does this make them superior?

Essentially if a gnome warrior's skill is more than capable of tanking up to nax is there any other limitations that would cause you to choose a different tank in any situation? Once again thanks for the chance to post.

[Horrigan]

Racist

[Nidhogg]

A simple yet easy test would be to present the following situation to your gnomish warrior applicant-

You currently wield a flower in your offhand. It's not very good for tanking purposes but you lost every roll to a paladin or shaman when Drakkisath died and the RNG hasn't been too kind with you on the world BoE drops when you ran Stratholme. So you have a flower in your offhand.

You get invited to go to AQ40, and Prophet Skeram drops Armaments. Now, seeing as you are wielding a daisy, would you pick up the Bug looking shield or wait calmy for the Bulwark to drop from Chromaggus... even though you know it's been what 8 months since the last one dropped? HMMM CHOBO? HMMMMMMMMMM?

Sorry.. so yea. Gnomes are tiny and made for throwing. Not tanking.

[Record]

Gnome's aren't good for tanking, only PvP (Escape Artist 4TW). I'd roll a human if I was you!

[vidarc]

A simple yet easy test would be to present the following situation to your gnomish warrior applicant-

You currently wield a flower in your offhand. It's not very good for tanking purposes but you lost every roll to a paladin or shaman when Drakkisath died and the RNG hasn't been too kind with you on the world BoE drops when you ran Stratholme. So you have a flower in your offhand.

You get invited to go to AQ40, and Prophet Skeram drops Armaments. Now, seeing as you are wielding a daisy, would you pick up the Bug looking shield or wait calmy for the Bulwark to drop from Chromaggus... even though you know it's been what 8 months since the last one dropped? HMMM CHOBO? HMMMMMMMMMM?

Sorry.. so yea. Gnomes are tiny and made for throwing. Not tanking.

This sounds familiar somehow...

[Eyrix]

Thank you for the replys I appreciate it. So you would say human would be your best bet for a tank? If that's so I will probably have to pass on playing a warrior. I am sorry but not only do humans look rediculous both in and out of there armor IMHO, they are the most cliche character in the game. I mean a human warrior, who ever heard of those? I was looking forward to playing a tank but I will get over it. Last question for you, what about dwarves, Still not as good as humans? Thanks again.

[Lovelychobo]

its actually not a big deal. id like +5 swords but oh well.

humans are taller and females look nice in the armor but i love my gnome
wouldnt trade it for anything

[Eyrix]

Could someone please give me a breakdown of each race. With the Positive and negative's of each race. I would like to know this for human's, dwarve's and gnome's, have no desire for a Night elf. Thanks.

[Jrix]

Could someone please give me a breakdown of each race. With the Positive and negative's of each race. I would like to know this for human's, dwarve's and gnome's, have no desire for a Night elf. Thanks.
Honestly, how hard is it to go to the Blizzard main website, and look at the trivial racials they have to offer.

[mko]

Human skill is real nice for dps of course, and diplomacy owns cuz spending 10% less time on whatever 100 hr rep grind you're on is always good.
Dwarf stoneform is decent at times.
Gnomes have nothing beneficial for pve but escape artist is the most op pvp racial for a warrior.
I'd take 1% NE dodge over any of them tankwise though.
Honestly though just pick whatever you think looks nicest cuz the chances of your race actually making the difference in a boss dieing or not is most likely never gonna happen so base your choice on what you'd like to look at for 3+ hours a day. :P

[Eyrix]

Honestly, how hard is it to go to the Blizzard main website, and look at the trivial racials they have to offer.

The reason I ask is I do not see this pivotal racial that would cause a human to be blatantly better than a gnome. I will agree gnome's have no benificial racials for tanking. But on the human side you have perception, useless in pve. You have the spirit bonus. Useless period. You have the rep bonus. Usefull for grinding but does not benifit a tank directly. Then you have the +5 swords and maces. This will ultimately add to your dps but I can not see this being such a factor that people would completely turn down a gnome tank over a human. When it comes down to skill I see no reason where if the gnome tank out skilled a human warrior that the guild should pick the human anyway. I was mainly worried about Line of sight issues.

[Eyrix]

double post sorry

[Eyrix]

bump

[Draeth]

As Mko stated the racial stats that each race is presented with is minimal towards the contribution it has to tanking, just choose whichever race you think you will enjoy the most.

[Eyrix]

Yes, this is what I thought also untill i came in here and basically got flamed. with remarks like gnomes are for punting not tanking. So I thought maybe there was some truth to this. Didnt want to wait a month getting to 60. Thanks.

[Draeth]

But Gnomes are for punting.

[Eyrix]

Wow.

[Draeth]

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j95/FLAYER_photo/pwned1wu.gif

'Nuff Said.

[Licia]

lol

[enzytebob]

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j95/FLAYER_photo/pwned1wu.gif (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j95/FLAYER_photo/pwned1wu.gif)

'Nuff Said.

Thats great, a cow kicking a midgets arse.

[Waldrin]

Dwarves got highest stamina of all races in game except Taurens (5 % more HP racial) + stoneform which comes in handy pretty often as a tank.
NElfs got +1 dodge and much agi.
Humans got average stats on everything and +5 mace skill, +5 swords skill.
Gnomes got shitty tanking stats.

However since you are a tanking warrior just choose the race you think looks the coolest as most the differences between the races are very small when it comes to tanking ability. For a dps warrior you should without a doubt roll a human female for their + 5 mace and swords skill.

[Ultenth]

Dwarves have no sta boost, wtf are you talking about?
NE's have no more agi than any other class, just the +1% dodge.
Humans +sword/mace make them the best tank/dps warrior imo for alliance.
Most of the other racials don't impact tanking much, but gnomes have no racials that impact tanking at all, making them the worst choice, if 100% min-maxing is your priority.

[Caligulas]

I'm pretty sure that classes have a slight variance in stats at level 60. Dwarves having slightly more than the other classes sounds right iirc.

[Waldrin]

Dwarves have no sta boost, wtf are you talking about?
NE's have no more agi than any other class, just the +1% dodge.
Humans +sword/mace make them the best tank/dps warrior imo for alliance.
Most of the other racials don't impact tanking much, but gnomes have no racials that impact tanking at all, making them the worst choice, if 100% min-maxing is your priority.
NElfs have 25 agility as their starting stat, which is the highest in the game. Dwarves have 23 stamina as their starting stat, which is the highest in the game. Btw, Night Elf is not a class, its a race.
I did not say that Dwarves got a "stamina boost", Taurens do.

[Schmitty]

I'm gonna go with...it really doesn't fucking matter. Dwarves probably have the most useful tanking racial in stoneform, but even then it's not really a huge deal.

[Waldrin]

Yup, for tanking warrior race really doesn't matter on Alliance side atleast.

[Ultenth]

NElfs have 25 agility as their starting stat, which is the highest in the game. Dwarves have 23 stamina as their starting stat, which is the highest in the game. Btw, Night Elf is not a class, its a race.
I did not say that Dwarves got a "stamina boost", Taurens do.

The difference from starting stats -> end stats is almost nil when comparing racas, with the exception of humans/gnomes/taurens and their 5% to stat boosts.

And I've already said I'm retarded today because I'm on 3 hours sleep, and 2 the night before last, so I'm sure I'll come back and read some of the stuff I wrote tomorrow and feel like I'm an idiot like the day after a drunken binge where you black out.

Stoneform is certainly helpful for a few encounters in the game, but imo the every fight +5mace/swords is far more useful, more damage = more aggro, and also more rage which = more aggro. Weapon skills are imba. But in the long run as long as you have the gear, and the player skill, it doesn't really matter what race you are at end-game.