Do you think a Hemo build is practicle for PvE in 1.12?

[StealthAngel]

Now that 1.12 has been around for a bit I was wondering if any D&T Rogues have tried a Hemo build with the +10% AP talent in Subtelty.. And is it any good for PvE? I was thinking about specing it to try it out, or is it still just as bad as it was in 1.11?

Thanks

//Stealthy, Skullcrusher EU

[Mortar]

No. Not ever.

Hemo can't out damage any "normal" spec (31-8-13, 15-31-5- 18-28-5, 18-33, 20-31, etc).

Hemo can probably out damage 21-8-22 though >_>

[Blackened]

A hemo build will never ever be practical in PvE until we see more weapons like Andonisus, Reaper of Souls.

[ShadowFox]

How about Assassination? I made a topic about it earlier, but just died a slow death.

I have a feeling the combo point generation from mutilate, and the increased debuff limit will make for some impressive DPS coming from rogues who will be able to keep S&D, Deadly Poison, and Rupture up at all times.

[Schmitty]

For the record, that's a fury warrior weapon.

[Ultenth]

Mutilate might be cool, especially now that lethality and Oppo effect it. The combo point generation would be sick, and would allow for a more "utility" type rogue that might be handier in 25 man instances than just pure 100% dps, will have to wait and see. Problem is you can't get Oppo and DW spec with mutilate =[

[Blackened]

Mutilate is a piece of shit skill right now, and is going to be an even bigger piece of shit skill in PvE. My sources tell me, their backstabs hit harder then Mutilate crits for. Mutilate needs a serious overhaul before it becomes viable for anything outside combo point generation aside. You can't rely solely on eviscerate for your damage if you want to be competetive.

[ShadowFox]

Well blizzard must be aiming for something by adding skills like disembowel, because IMO having a finisher that relies on deadly poison stacks to be effective is not worth alot to the assassination tree(a tree that is considered more for pvp). I do however understand that even critting with mutilate isn't going to hit for jackshit with daggers, especially with your offhand damage reduced by 50%. However if you still opted for Imp. Backstab along with mutilate you would still have 5 combo points in two attacks, and add in the talent that causes finishers to increase all your offensive capabilties by 10%.

[Blackened]

Disembowel is also awful, it's a gimp Eviscerate that requires you have a full stack of CC breaking poison. No thanks.

[Blackened]

However if you still opted for Imp. Backstab along with mutilate you would still have 5 combo points in two attacks, and add in the talent that causes finishers to increase all your offensive capabilties by 10%.

Why bother? You can use a 1pt Slice and Dice and achieve the same effect.

[Fwiedwice]

Combat for PVE.. thats all there is to it. But with all the nice stuff in Sub, why wouldn't you want to be pvping.

[ShadowFox]

Disembowel is also awful, it's a gimp Eviscerate that requires you have a full stack of CC breaking poison. No thanks.

Exactly my point. Why would blizzard put such a skill into the game if they didn't intend for it to have some practical use in the future? Keep in mind I am talking about PvE, of course deadly poisons are usually a bad idea in PvP because they break Gouge, polymorph, etc, but many enemies in instances are immune to CC effects. Also, keep in mind Disembowel does more damage than Eviscerate(assuming you have the deadly poisons stacked).

Why bother? You can use a 1pt Slice and Dice and achieve the same effect.

If you are able to instantly generate 5 combo points you can activate S&D and likely run your way through several more 4 to 5 combo point finishing moves before Slice and Dice runs out, and then reactive it again just as easily. Factor in you will be getting the 25 energy return much more often by using this method, which would make for more efficiency. Of course this is also assuming Mutilate is actually improved to a point where people would want to use it.