Which HWL Wep for Fury warrior

[Wolfsoresh]

Hello all my first time posting. I have watched your videos of Naxx and I know you all are the best of the best so I have come to you for advice :P. I'm a 60 Orc Warrior. I am pretty new to the game and have only been playing for a few months and the guild I recently joined has started running ZG. My question to you is, I plan on farming honor everyday I'm not in the raids. And my guild has let me stay Fury spec because they have enough Prot spec warriors. I am wondering what HWL weapons I should get. The 2 cleavers, or the swords.

Also i have another question about Fury. Someone told me once that its better to have a slower MH wep, around 2.4-2.8 weapon speed, and a faster OH weapon, like 1.5-1.8 or so. Also, if that is true wouldnt the swords be best because they have those speeds? I am planning to buy TUF since I am a bit gimped with my current weapons (7% hit 23% crit in zerker) And my weapons have around 40dps on both of them. So in the 60 bracket I tend to get owned. Is it worth spending 7k honor on TUF in order to do better in pvp and in return get more honor at a quicker rate? Thanks for your responses.

[Record]

I honestly wouldn't get TUF ... it's so bad especially how honor works now. Just save up your points and get one of the HWL 2 handers first imo (axe or sword). After that, you can work on the other 2x 1 handers if you want. Doesn't really matter which you use anymore (swords vs. axe) as they nerfed the +skill. You gain very little by using the two axes but there is still a gain. It's really up to you ... if it was me I'd use one of the slower swords and one of the faster swords.

[Griff]

Agreed, screw TUF now, and get something from ZG for 2h.

It is not worth the honour now.

Beeing an orc I would probably get axes, for the small %crit chance, since weapon skill is nerfed now.

Get slow one for MH, and what ever you want for OH.
Now with rage normalisation, what you are looking for is rage geration, and all weapon speeds generate same amounts of rage. So it's up to you.

Also you have +7% hit with the 3 talents from Fury tree or without?

As I have said a few times before, IMO, for Fury to be effective, and BT to be something that does even decent dmg, you need 1k AP unbuffed, and +10% hit on pve boss environmet.

Obviously the more AP and +hit you got the better.

[Typewriter]

Arcanite Reaper HOOOOO

[Generel]

If you are fury spec you want.....

The slower sword MH and the faster(i think its the quickblade) OH.

[MoonStar]

Orc = 2 Axes.

Non Orc = Longsword // Quick blade.

There you go.

[Caligulas]

Orc = 2 Axes.

Non Orc = Longsword // Quick blade.

There you go.

Yes

[Kiberian]

staff


fashion > functionality

[Dymon]

ZR off Hakkar imo. Cheaper than a HWL weapon.

[MoonStar]

ZR off Hakkar imo. Cheaper than a HWL weapon.

Sword. Terrible.

[Dodgy]

Sword. Terrible.

it really doesn't matter much now.

.5 crit from weapon specs zomg

[MoonStar]

it really doesn't matter much now.

.5 crit from weapon specs zomg

Yea, because getting some random burst proc is far worse then having a free 5 crit.

[Dodgy]

Yea, because getting some random burst proc is far worse then having a free 5 crit.

if he is going that far into arms.

If he is going fury, its really not a big deal.

But ya, if going arms, I agree, axe/polearm is the way to go.

[Tendris]

mace/poleaxe are better than sword spec currently.

[Ultenth]

Sword spec got hit by the nerf bad pretty hard, and with mace spec getting nerfed now too pole/axe spec is pretty much your best option.

[Minya]

hwl-weps>>>>zin rokh :)
get urself those axes, mr orc.

and, like already said, try to get 1k AP unbuffed and about 10% to hit (for pve-raiding content i even would go to 12-14% to hit but for pvp the 10% is enough :)

btw: what about mace-specc was nerfed? for myself i fee like it was buffed (i'm much more affected by mace-stun than i was before 2.0)

[Caligulas]

and, like already said, try to get 1k AP unbuffed and about 10% to hit (for pve-raiding content i even would go to 12-14% to hit but for pvp the 3% is enough :)

fixed

[Dseed]

fixed


10% for fury?
im pvping with 25% crit 9% to hit with 5234 HP

[Caligulas]

Right right, we were on the topic of 2h I didn't realize you were referring to DW again.

[Griff]

And WHY do you say that a pole/axe spec can be better than sword spec?

I fail to see the reasson.

Unless you are talking for leveling in the BC ( and hence NOT now ) and getting shafted with the %crit changing based on lvl.
Which still I am not sure if it will shine more.

[MoonStar]

And WHY do you say that a pole/axe spec can be better than sword spec?


An uncontrolable proc which may or may not be wasted is WAY better then 5% crit...

Yea, Its nice to go "Hey, I randomly proc'd and one shot that kid." But then get wrecked 5 times and ask yourself why Sword Spec didnt proc. Or then again, its nice to watch it proc and then just hit. Plus, I think running around with ~31 crit in battle is way better then running around with ~26 crit in battle.

Poleaxe ALWAYS gives you 5 crit, it doesnt scale with level. You get 5 crit, doesnt matter if you are level 40 or 70. Its 5 Crit.

Edit:

Lets flip it around. Why is Sword Spec better then 5 Crit?

[lambach]

Because sword spec hits can also crit. So not only are you getting an extra chance to hit, your getting an extra chance to crit.

[MoonStar]

Because sword spec hits can also crit. So not only are you getting an extra chance to hit, your getting an extra chance to crit.

Yea, Its nice to go "Hey, I randomly proc'd and one shot that kid."

I prolly was not clear enough there. You dont one shot kids with non crits. Yes, I know the extra attack can crit. If you crit your swing / crit your sword spec / crit your ms you kill someone. "I randomly one shot someone, cool."

Again, why is a proc that could crit better then 5 crit that you always have?

[lambach]

I prolly was not clear enough there. You dont one shot kids with non crits. Yes, I know the extra attack can crit. If you crit your swing / crit your sword spec / crit your ms you kill someone. "I randomly one shot someone, cool."

Again, why is a proc that could crit better then 5 crit that you always have?

It has nothing to do with pvp.
Either way it gives 5% chance to do extra dmg. 5% crit dmg is maxed out at your highest crit. 5% proc gives a chance to do 2x crit dmg.

Lets say you hit for 1k normally. 5% crit gives you 5% chance to do 2x dmg.
However, 5% proc gives you 5% chance to do 2x dmg, but also something like 1% chance to do 3x and a .5% chance to do 4x dmg.

[TacticalVirus]

Sword Spec is a 5% chance at another attack. So, it will (over time) do the equivalent damage boost that Poleaxe Spec gives without factoring Sword Spec crits.

So, if you're unlucky and hit with both attacks for 500 each, you've essentially done the same damage as if you'd crit.

Then, if you crit and hit, you've done 1500 damage.

And if you get the sort of rare crit/crit, you've just done 2k damage.

Factoring in impale means that Poleaxe will outperform Sword if Sword spec never crits.

Sword spec is still better imo, if Poleaxe was higher than 5% crit it might be better, but since they're both 5% Sword edges out.

[lambach]

Sword Spec is a 5% chance at another attack. So, it will (over time) do the equivalent damage boost that Poleaxe Spec gives without factoring Sword Spec crits.

So, if you're unlucky and hit with both attacks for 500 each, you've essentially done the same damage as if you'd crit.

Then, if you crit and hit, you've done 1500 damage.

And if you get the sort of rare crit/crit, you've just done 2k damage.

Factoring in impale means that Poleaxe will outperform Sword if Sword spec never crits.

Sword spec is still better imo, if Poleaxe was higher than 5% crit it might be better, but since they're both 5% Sword edges out.

hehe, just a little too slow bro.

[Kaizo]

Wait, is sword spec broken for warriors too? As in it resets swing timer?

[Schmitty]

I miss the old sword spec along with HOJ.

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/6089/nerfwarriors9kp.jpg

[Dodgy]

I miss the old sword spec along with HOJ.

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/6089/nerfwarriors9kp.jpg (http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/6089/nerfwarriors9kp.jpg)

wow, thats an oldschool screenshot

[Griff]

Thanks for the posters above, and that is what I wanted to say.

Sword spec, IS better ( for me at least ), than pole/axe is, and dont forget it can proc of almost anything as well.

I have 26% crit on battle with sword spec at, and its more than enough more or less.
Not factoring the BC, as I mentioned above, and come 70 and new gear that will give the same crit as now ( more or less ), unless shafted in the process ( I wont be surprised ), sword spec will be no1 again.

[TacticalVirus]

I liked having the occasional one shot on SL warlocks back when SS procced off anything and everything.

charge-hit-hoj/ss.proc-ms-hoj/ss.proc-hamstring-hoj/ss.proc

or, the good old sweeping strikes + whirlwind + sword and hoj procs.

It wasn't that overpowered, and it wouldn't be now since anyone and everyone is one-two shotting anyone and everyone, except warriors.

[Griff]

Well, maybe then it was not overpowered, but if that worked now with 1500 AP self buffed ppl + Claymore/Ass-Candy/Ashbringer it would cause alot of ./cry /gquit /break mouse moments especialy on clothers.

The biggest nerf was the "sword spec, cannot proc off another sowrd spec" for me :(

[TacticalVirus]

Before my HD crashed a year ago, I had an SS of sweeping strikes + whirlwind with 6 sword spec procs (no HoJ at the time), though I've heard of 8 happening...

Also, it never happened enough for it to be of serious concern, not any more than AP mages grabbing the zerker buff and pyroing twice in a row for 6k+