Shadow Priest Changes.

[Lenictavus]

Priest
* "Shadow Weaving" (Shadow): Effect reduced by 1% per rank.
* "Shadow Word: Death": Cooldown increased to 12 sec.

Paladin
* "Spiritual Attunement": Mana is no longer healed if the paladin is at full health.

Do you think this change will make shadowpriests less desireable in raids? 15% shadow dmg down to 10%, sw:d cd changed from 6 to 12, and we are no longer a paladins mana battery.

[Wyndryder]

Nope. 5% damage is nothing. We don't use SW:D as our primary nuke anyay and we don't group with Paladins.

[Intricacy]

I hardly know any priests who used death everytime it was up in conjunction with blast and the dot aggro, you'd be hard pressed not to get your face smashed in if you're > 1100 shadow dmg. PVE wise it's not a significant change, arena wise it's a bit of a bummer, but nothing huge.

[Schmitty]

Shadow Priests are still imbalanced.

[Cherrie]

pointless shadownerfs and no good holy changes?
THATS THE BLIZZARD I KNOW AND LOVE
WAY TO GO GUYS!

[Elbac]

I thought the same thing at first. Then I realised that Blizzard had accomplished the goal of increasing healing priest desireability in raids by doing what they do best....beating on another class with the nerf stick (in this case pallies).

Could have accomplished the same objective by buffing priests a little but then they wouldnt get the tremendous amount of posts bitching about the changes and you all know that they love to read and laugh at those posts.

[Hashinshin]

blizzard doesnt want to have to rebalance raid content cause they only work by buffs.... priests got a major buff in their heal spell's efficiency this patch. Paladins got major damage and tanking ups, druids are slightly more Pvp viable, warriors escaped as still dominant in PvE and PvP

please dont post LAWL BLIZZARD SUCKS, i always thought DnT forums were a bit more mature, honestly.

[Elbac]

Is this buff to priest efficiency you mention based on the decrease in mana cost to binding heal?

If so you seriously over estimate the utility of this spell. I doubt I use it even 5% of the time in PvE. Maybe I am one of the few, but I dont think that spell has much use outside of PvP.

I will be interested to see what is meant by:

"Circle of Healing" (Holy) effect increased.

But I doubt it was buffed enough to make it viable .

Besides those two changes I see nothing worth the name "buff" and even these changes aren't really worthy of the name.

[lambach]

Nope. 5% damage is nothing. We don't use SW:D as our primary nuke anyay and we don't group with Paladins.


Man...I love Shadow Word: Smileyface

[Feldia]

pointless shadownerfs and no good holy changes?
THATS THE BLIZZARD I KNOW AND LOVE
WAY TO GO GUYS!
You're right, it's totally balanced for a class to be very nearly top dps and still add all the raid utility that a shadow priest does.

Fucking idiot.

[stauros]

You're right, it's totally balanced for a class to be very nearly top dps and still add all the raid utility that a shadow priest does.

Fucking idiot.

Anger issues?

[lambach]

You're right, it's totally balanced for a class to be very nearly top dps and still add all the raid utility that a shadow priest does.

Fucking idiot.

HOLY SHIT!

This dude just called cherrie a fucking idiot....

Im sure there will be hell to pay.

[Tupperware]

HOLY SHIT!

This dude just called cherrie a fucking idiot....

Im sure there will be hell to pay.

Not only that but he totally missed the point of Cherrie's post.

The point was (I believe) that the shadow 'nerf' doesnt affect shadow priests negatively in PVE and the holy 'buffs' dont do much to make holy priests more desirable.

At least thats what I got out of it. Should be fun to see what happens to this guy though.

[lambach]

Not only that but he totally missed the point of Cherrie's post.

The point was (I believe) that the shadow 'nerf' doesnt affect shadow priests negatively in PVE and the holy 'buffs' dont do much to make holy priests more desirable.

At least thats what I got out of it. Should be fun to see what happens to this guy though.

Yeah, that was her meaning. Holy priests really need a(good) buff....

[Hashinshin]

Man, disc priests get a really good 41 that makes dispelling it with full arena group buffs nearly IMPOSSIBLE, reducing all damage by 65%...

binding heal becomes insaaanely mana efficient, and other stuff gets minor buffs... id call it disc priests are finnaly a viable 5v5 specc, and slow their death by 6 seconds (fairly substantial)

[Feldia]

5% less damage from shadow weaving doesn't negatively impact a shadow priest? I'd love to hear about how that works.

[Tupperware]

I wonder how many priests have tried Disc. for raiding since TBC came out.
That much mana has to be useful at some point.

Edit:
Response to Feldia
I dont mean it doesnt negatively impact them at all. But it certainly doesnt make them undesireable. In fact as a raid leader that takes 3-4 to every raid...I will continue to take 3-4 every raid. Where as the healing buffs....I'll still only take 1 healing priest/raid.

[lambach]

5% less damage from shadow weaving doesn't negatively impact a shadow priest? I'd love to hear about how that works.
Getting in some final posts before the ban?

[stauros]

Getting in some final posts before the ban?

lol

[Feldia]

Getting in some final posts before the ban?
LOL

[Jesta]

5% less damage from shadow weaving doesn't negatively impact a shadow priest? I'd love to hear about how that works.

It does, but not as much as people are QQing about it. I do 5% less damage when weaving is fully built up? Thats not that hard of a hit, warlocks are going to be doing 5% less damage as well.

Now if you consider that Mindflay is going to be affected by spellhaste, that makes the Quag's Eye trinket pretty valuable (24% haste, 10% proc on spellcast). Mindflay goes from 3 second channel to 2.28 second channel. Also heroism will make our mindflay go from 3 second channel to 2.1 second channel. Heroism effectively makes it so you can almost finish 3 mindflays in the time it used to take 2 (6 second period). So, if your mindflay was doing 700 damage, in 6 seconds w/o haste would of been 4.2k dmg, now, w/ haste from either of these, your looking at 5.5k-6k damage (This depends on when the haste effect ends, mid-cast, or at the end of the current spell?).

Nerfed in one aspect, but they opened up a whole new can of worms with this buff :)

[Erii]

You're right, it's totally balanced for a class to be very nearly top dps and still add all the raid utility that a shadow priest does.

Fucking idiot.

*whoosH*

Seems like you completely missed the point of what Cherrie was saying and you're also a priest :/. While I did see shadow's damage getting nerfed at some point or another, the current nerfs don't address any of the major concerns priests have. Surviviability, worthless 31/41 pt talents are just a few.

The way Holy priests are designed still makes them weak in pve, even after the pally nerfs(The shadow nerfs don't help make them look much better either). Grats Blizzard on being complete morons and fucking with the parts of the priest class that no one cares about.

[Feldia]

My post was addressing "pointless shadow nerfs", are you people really that dense as to not understand?

[Cherrie]

feldia its time to take your midol

[Feldia]

There's one thing I can always be sure that you'll do Cherrie, and that's that you'll overreact to every single nerf you ever receive.

P.S. In before "CHERRIE YOU OWN" from the fan boys.

[Erii]

The nerfs to shadow are idiotic because they further weaken our ability to pvp as shadow priest. While I can say I saw something like the shadowweaving nerf coming, I don't think the sw:death nerf is justified. Sw:death doesn't make up the majority of our dps in raids by any means because it has a hefty backlash component. Shadow priests have low burst in pvp even before the nerfs and putting sw:death on a 12 second timer makes us even weaker.

The best part about this upcoming patch is that Blizzard once again shows us what it does best. When a spec (in this case holy) is asking for some buffs because it is a hell of a lot weaker than it should be, Blizzard nerfs other classes and specs and leaves holy priests in the same place as they are now.
The shadow nerfs are "pointless" they show that Blizzard doesn't understand what parts of the class are in need of work and which ones aren't.

And Feldia, if Cherrie was "overreacting" to the nerfs, what would that make you? Making ad hominem at Cherrie on a thread discussing changes to priests certainly doesn't protray you as short sighted and unable to understand where the priest class stands in pvp/pve as a whole.

[lambach]

There's one thing I can always be sure that you'll do Cherrie, and that's that you'll overreact to every single nerf you ever receive.

P.S. In before "CHERRIE YOU OWN" from the fan boys....


..but she didnt....she said it wasnt a big deal...

[Cherrie]

grats on missing the point like other ppl have said
5% is incredibly marginal, so is the swd cooldown
maybe the dense one is.. you?

[Nineteen]

yea wtf, ur saying cherrie overreacted, but yet she didnt notice that its actually a nerf?

what the hell man, im sure cherrie is just complaining about holy sucking as they try and fix shadow which is what people take to raids now?

[dynewolf]

yeah! i hate you so much! SO MUCH I TYPE IN CAPS!

gawsh, sorry for that

[Broox]

Buff mages

[Wyndryder]

Lets see... I'll have gained 22 extra spell damage when the patch goes live. That makes up for a good chunk of the 'nerf'.

[Polyamorous]

Bad karma.

Can't complain, though. I have a 3 piece epic set available to me that won't be replaced until T5. I'm satisfied knowing that.

[Warthrin]

Know what warriors have from blacksmithing?

Felsteel Helm

1337 EPICS.

[Kahrdis]

its not like warrior 2hand weapons kill stuff pretty fast.Especiall in PvP.

[Intricacy]

5% less damage from shadow weaving doesn't negatively impact a shadow priest? I'd love to hear about how that works.
since it negatively impacts warlocks as well to some degree, who are pretty much the only class i've been routinely beaten by (aside from the very occasional mage), dps standing wise comparative to the rest of the raid we are still pretty much unchanged.

[Kahrdis]

since it negatively impacts warlocks as well to some degree, who are pretty much the only class i've been routinely beaten by (aside from the very occasional mage), dps standing wise comparative to the rest of the raid we are still pretty much unchanged.

Oh noes no more 7-8k Shadowbolts and 4k Shadowburn.

[Iluminati]

The shadow word death nerf is harsh, considering it's mediocre in pvp and barely usable in raids.

[nxapplehead]

Buff mages
QFfuckingT

[Intricacy]

OHOHOHOHOHOHOH IM FUNNY.




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