lvl 70 rogue builds - Page 4 - Death & Taxes

Tykken · 02/21/2007

Hello everyone.

I just wanted to share my toughts about envenom, and show you my build since I feel it provides the utility to be quite useful in 5 man heroics aswell.

First of all, I ONLY, and I mean ONLY use envenom as my main finisher, aslong as the mobs aint immune ofcourse.

Always provide your group with a enhancement shaman, and you will make sure that your envenom does additional 20% more dmg ;)

2k non crits, and 4k crits ftw.

I do use deadly poisons on both my daggers, and I never ever have to use shiv since I have 5 points in improved poisons aswell.

When it comes to raiding, Im number 1 on the dmg meters every run. And often I find the next on the dmg meter list 25% below me on dmg.

Only time someone was close to me was when we had 2 rogues in Karazhan, and the other had a 15/41/5 build. (Alot of trash before shade wich are immune to poison)

Anyway, heres my build: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=iMe0oExoizVoMIVZVM

Currently using the dagger from Moroes and the scryers in oh atm.

Was thinking of skipping the 7 points in sub tough since I dont do that much 5 man anymore. Wasnt sure wich is better tough.
5 points in opportunity
5 points in Dagger Specialisation
5 points in DW specialisation

This spec aint "all that" for pvp tough. But it still kicks ass vs druids, warriors and pallies. With no "outer" buffs, I have critted warriors for 3.4k with envenom ;)

Jaged · 02/21/2007

I think your link you did is messed up

**Lux** · 02/21/2007

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Originally Posted by Jaged

I think your link you did is messed up

Just remove a http://

Tykken · 02/21/2007

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Originally Posted by Jaged

I think your link you did is messed up

post edited and link should be working

Blyx · 02/23/2007

THe most basic thing to remember when making a Mutilate build are these simple Mathematically provable facts:

1. Dual Wield will ALWAYS yield better PvE DPS in the build.
2. Opportunity will ALWAYS yield higher Top End Mutilate/BS Crits/Hits.
3. Critical Strike % plays a gigantic role in how effective Mutilate can be for both PvE and PvP.

With the way Crit% is scaling downward as people get to Level 70, and the apparent lack of huge + Critical Strike items so far in BC, both Mutilate and Seal Fate are taking the largest hits in terms of DPS. If you go Mutilate, do everything in your power to maximize your Critical Strike %, even if it means slightly gimping your AP.

I'm still a tad perplexed by the Level 60, 32% Critical Strike, 41% Dodge, +15% Hit, 1080 AP Rogue --- transforming into the Level 70, 26% Critical Strike, 30% Dodge, +13% Hit, 1400 AP Rogue. TIer 4 and Tier 5 seem to have omitted Agility on a lot of the pieces, and I can't say as that makes me terribly happy.

Tykken · 02/23/2007

Think Im gonna give it a try with +5% crit to daggers yeh.

krosis · 03/02/2007

any thoughts on SF/prep? i havent tryed it and was wondering how it works just out of curiosity.

♣(Goretex)♣ · 03/03/2007

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Originally Posted by krosis

any thoughts on SF/prep? i havent tryed it and was wondering how it works just out of curiosity.

Ive been playing around with it this weekend. It's a great spec tons of burst damage giving you the ability to premed cs cb evis bs ks... awesome.

Reedy · 03/05/2007

I use 31/25/5 and absolutely swear by it

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=iGecox0oizZGcV0byzZV

I pvp and pve in equal quantities, wether it be BG's, arenas (I 2v2 with a paladin), world pvp, karazhan/25man or farming for primals/scryer rep I find i have an answer for pretty much everything with this build. Vigor is more than a pvp talent, it is THE secret to soloing mobs with daggers.

I can talk about this build for days, but it is quite rare and not a lot of rogues use it. I don't like mutilate, it is too inconsistent and SS/combat just doesnt suit me after playing daggers for so long.

andrewf87 · 03/08/2007

Hey, this question is directed at the dnt rogues, what builds are you using for your pure pve ie raids ? Im currently using 15/41/5 but was wondering if you could link your builds as im interested to see what builds your using or if your 15/41/5 , how you distrubuted the points.
Cheers

**Blackened** · 03/08/2007

using http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=whe0oxZGcVbrVzx0GRt atm for pve

andrewf87 · 03/10/2007

Why have you decided to go for a swords build?

saccharin · 03/11/2007

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Originally Posted by andrewf87

Why have you decided to go for a swords build?

I'm guessing it has to do with the swords he has.

http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/?#...gath&n=Blacken

Also, when gear is about equal, how big of a difference is 5% crit (daggers), compared to a possible extra few smacks that also have their own chance of critting (swords)? There are a nice selection of 85+dps daggers out there, but none have the average damage that the selection of 85+dps swords have. 166-310 damage one hander? Ouch.

-sac

**Blackened** · 03/11/2007

It's called Windfury.

♣(Goretex)♣ · 03/12/2007

is your dps significantly reduced without totem? Or do you still compete with a mutilate / cp dagger build?